Update: Feedback to the 9@9 March 9th Episode

MP3 download Archive and 9@9 Episode “Us and Them

To reiterate the purpose of the show:

“Nine characters @ Nine P.M. (somewhere)… Explore the Left-hand-path analytically to flesh out ideas, theoretically capture its essence and attack its form. Each player seeks to both challenge and entertain you. Callers are encouraged to bring something thought-provoking to each segment.”

This exchange on Facebook was shared with me, since I do not have an account there.  I found it to be amusing for a couple of reasons.

  1. 1.  A Like-page to promote the show was put up voluntarily by Darryl Hutchins II, he seems to have either tried to transfer ownership or deleted it (I can’t be sure at this point) in retaliation to a false claim.
  2. 2.  The false claim is that (I quote) “I deleted the page because Alison Jones misrepresented Concomitant Dissidence as a group of racist.  She knowingly lied about our position.  I will not put up with that. “

This allegation, I’m told, came directly from the 9@9 episode which aired on March 9th.

First, the burden of proof is on the accuser.    Lies?  Slander?   Proofs or GTFO.

If one has, as Darryl states, “Conducted myself honorably“,  I would think that would include exercising a level of self- honesty about the actual reasons for removing a Facebook like page and making  false-accusations.  I don’t care if you lie to me, or lie to your sycophants; everybody lies; however if one were genuinely interested in putting your ideation through trials by fire, then you might start with the testicular fortitude to light the match.  Parading your straw-men on Facebook isn’t really changing much but your status update.   Not to mention, am I somehow difficult to reach with my oh so large Internet foot-print?  I digress…

During my 60 minutes of air time, at no time did I mention Concomitant Dissidence.   My commentary was fairly general in relation to events and people I have observed in Social Media over the last two decades for more than 55 minutes of the show.  In recent years, social platforms such as Facebook appear to be the favored venue for airing grievances  (which appears to be the case here as demonstrated by the screen cap of Darryl’s beef).  Yoo hoo, I’m not on Facebook Darryl.

Second, I would think that it’s more intellectually honest to address a reaction incited in oneself, than it is to attack the provocation for it.  But hey, Hit me with your Best shot!

9@9 - Darryl Hutchins

Readers of my blog interested in examples of NLP/External Considering/Identifying and Fourth Way philosophy (ala G.I.  Gurdjieff) might find this a fascinating study.  Those with eyes to see, can clearly peep what I’m looking at here.

I have taken a few key-phrases I used purposefully to create a perception from the audio clip, to provide contextual examples:

A.  “We’re definitely not talking about a collective.

DH has been recently involved in a group collaboration project called  Concomitant Dissidence; the definition has been provided for blog subscribers (see: What is Concomitant Dissidence?).  Feel free to have a look around and cast your own judgment about the content therein.  What the hell do I know anyway, I’m just a woman…Ooo lala.

Note:  A joining of two terms Concomitant + Dissidence; implies that the group of bloggers happen to share a level of dissent for a variety of topics such as culture, politics, and memetic ideologies.  This appears to be the case with the participants on the blog. Key term in the Q&A: “Kollective.”

B.  “It’s not racism, it’s racialism.”

Anyone familiar with my views on racism and racialism wouldn’t have made such a misstep in interpreting this quote as a form of slander.  In fact, as Darryl correctly identified I was directly quoting him from a previous public statement ( paraphrased).    Information populated by the Nexion, as well as through Darryl’s personal blog (of which I am subscribed).  The Nexion has no control nor autonomy over that information.   The Nexion appears to pride itself in populating information from a variety of sources; not always citing the author so it gives the appearance of original work.  I’m hip to it.  There hasn’t really been a new idea in centuries.  Hey, we work with what we have access to and  Memetics can either be a tool or a vice; in this case: Me thinks he doth protest too much!   [Thank you Mr. Shakespeare for such an eloquent iambic pentameter, don’t mind if I do!]

Racism as a control meme has been typically defined as thus:

A belief or doctrine that inherent hierarchical differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race  is superior.

While Racialism is considered a counter-meme:

A belief in the existence and significance of racial differences, but not necessarily that any hierarchy between the races exists. Racialists typically reject claims of racial superiority.

In either case, from my point of view any/all focus on race is a race-ism.  Much like playing a flute would make me a flutist, wielding race no matter the intent or end game is a form of racism.    Mr. Fleming does his fair share of External Considering & Identifying when he goes on to assume that it’s a moral judgment.  My point of view has nothing at all to do with morality, more so the logical fallacy and lack of critical thinking and applied scrutiny.    Case in point, I am not my race, gender, nor the roles a Nomian society would have me fall in line to serve.

Races can be loosely defined as a categorization of humans by specific markers such as culture (i.e. National Location, Language, Religion, Social Interests, Politics, et. al) but most Nomian mindsets would reduce it to abstractions such as Ethnic Heritage, Skin Color, Gender or even obfuscated by ‘genes’.  Race, is just another control-meme; when a person becomes hooked in (or rather plugged into) racial concerns; what follows is a roller-coaster ride of justifications vs. reasoning.  “Why do we require others share our judgement?”  -Emmanuel Kant   Why indeed.

It can’t be wondered why Mr. Hutchins II, would react in this manner from minutia, proverbial mole-hills he has built, into a mountain of woe.  Less than 10 seconds of audio, yet the Power Rating is off the charts for this simple statement (as per my Power Rating mentioned in my article on page 26 in Into the Fire, Issue#2 Honor).

I’d like to re-direct this topic back to Honor for a moment, if I may.  This behavior in conjunction with the words written or spoken, are often in flux.    If I am to take the statement from Ryan Fleming and put it under Ocam’s Razor (“Alison Jones clearly cannot comprehend Aeonics or heretical thinking in that case.  Truth.”) there would be nothing left to consider.  I’m not exactly seeing the Heretics at work here  nor am I observing an Aeonic shift.  In fact, I’d say this is the epitome of Nomian and Mundanity masked as something else.  A guise, a mask, for what is so painfully apparent.    Incidentally, a discussion is in progress of this very subject on 600 Club.  Try as you may, the essence comes through the mask.  I see you under there boys.  Sorry, Nomos Homos. No cookie.

  The 10 Principals of the National Socialist (as published in Hill of the Ravens) was blogged on Interrogistic Methodologies by Darryl Hutchins II.   For what reason, I can only speculate.  Even if Mr. Hutchins took these principals to heart only in-part, he doesn’t appear to be too concerned with his Honor.  Concomitant Dissidence prides itself as an Information Nexion.  In reviewing the information, casting judgments about it, then deciding what to do with this information is an individual choice,  it would seem that the Kollective mindset is that if you don’t accept this information lock, stock and barrel; then you are enemy to the Nexion.    In my decision to obviously laugh at these notions, I have made Darryl upset.  Oh dear.  What ever shall I do?  Are we breaking up again Darry?  I will, with the whole of my being, decide for myself what I think and what I shall do upon those thoughts.  From my own axiomatic expressions:  “To know me, is to know my expressions.” – Sin Jones

Tisk, Tisk…  It seems you don’t know me at all.   Hard to keep up with the Jonses, crawling out chaos and altering your perception.  Oops, I did it again.

In participating in the 9@9 premise:

[x]  Analytic Exploration of the Left-hand Path – Check
[x] Flesh out ideas – Check
[x] Capture its essence – Check
[x] Attack its form – Check
I have shouldered the blame for disturbing a comfort-zone.    Now I ask you, wouldn’t that make me the Heretic?  
Breaking up is hard to do.  May even cost you a Facebook like page, and the press of 26 subscribers to a WordPress.   Nothing to fret about, when you’re a devil with disposable income.  Cha-ching!
Sin Jones

8 responses to “Update: Feedback to the 9@9 March 9th Episode

  1. Very nice and well thought out post Ali. Very nice indeed. The only issue I take with your position would be that you, like a handful of others, believe that I deleted the page because I was, or am, upset. In reality I am not.

    We had talked about the 9@9 Facebook page on CoD before, and I do believe that you and I agreed that people ought to get off of their asses and maintain the page. The truth is that no one really did much with it. I had no use for it personally and so there it sat, being used from time to time, to no great effect, and half the time it was me doing the posting.

    As for my reason for deleting the Facebook page, it was in fact because I felt you (not an idiot) knew full well what you were saying (misrepresenting our position), and said it only to get a rise out of me(us). Well, fine. You have every right to do so, just as I reserve the right to distance myself from the lie that racism and racialism is one and the same. To remove myself, I removed the page. It really is that simple, and has nothing to do with emotion.

    In fact I did contact TC, and offered him time to collect anything of value, (half an hour) to save anything before I deleted the Page in question. That’s what a gentleman would do, and that is what I did. If TC did not save the content, he must not have valued it, or he must have believed that it could be recreated, as such Facebook pages easily come and go.

    It is not as though anything has actually been lost, or that any viewers have been gained or lost. recreate a page if you see fit, or not, and the universe is likely to care as much if you do or do not.

    Again, I enjoyed your post very much. Good day.

    • “The only issue I take with your position would be that you, like a handful of others, believe that I deleted the page because I was, or am, upset. In reality I am not.”

      Based on the screen cap I was provided, it’s quite obvious that you stated it was a retaliation for what you ‘believe’ I did. In reality, all I did was quote you (albeit paraphrased).

      I never once mentioned your Nexion on air, never once did I call you racists. My personal point of view, on that subject, was obviously not known to you until I made this blog post – post show.

      “As for my reason for deleting the Facebook page, it was in fact because I felt you (not an idiot) knew full well what you were saying (misrepresenting our position), and said it only to get a rise out of me(us). Well, fine. You have every right to do so, just as I reserve the right to distance myself from the lie that racism and racialism is one and the same.”

      As you confirmed in your follow-up statement, you stated that I knew what I was saying. I did, but do you? I never stated they were one in the same. I quoted you from a previous statement you made. I posted the direct quote from the show on my blog, so there would be no confusion on your part as to what I actually stated on air. I followed that up, with explaining my point of view on the subject, since I did not elaborate on air.

      Why is it that you are making these false accusations, allegations, claiming that I lied, slandered you, etc. and a bunch of other shit that didn’t actually happen. Are you being intellectually honest right now? I left it up to your imagination, and boy oh boy did you run off into a strange little wonderland. Look, if you come back from the looking glass for a minute, you would realize what has actually transpired.

      You’re right, we did discuss the 9@9 FB page in the past, however you made a decision about that previously and it wasn’t revisited until you got upset with me Darryl. By your own words and actions, it’s obvious to me that you were upset. Upset mind you, over events that only transpired in your head. You took action as a result of the show.

      You don’t get to decide what I think is logically fallacious. You seem to be taking great offense to something I haven’t actually said. You stated that I have said that CC is racist. I haven’t spoken about CC other than its purpose as an information Nexion, on this blog. You claimed I made statements on the show I didn’t actually make. You’ve gone out of your way to discuss me in great length on your Facebook page without any effort to contact me directly and clarify my meaning by the statement on the show.

      I’m guessing the term ‘Racist’ takes on a negative connotation in your mind, pretty damn Nomian if you ask me. My point of view expressed in this blog is about racial focus as a logical fallacy. I’ll take it a step further and say that everyone is racist, when the -ism is to use race in any capacity to classify and categorize human beings into races. When I refer to race, I’m being racist. The -ism is what I’m after here. The practice of racial focus, for whatever reason. I’m not justifying my racism for example, I’m expanding on my reasoning here as to why I’m bothering to discuss it at all. I am not my race, national location or my ideas. This blog is Racist.

  2. When you criticise people using obscure philosophies as your basis (Gurdjeff etc.), people tend to over look it.
    As for sharing work written by others, I’m well aware I’ve done this. The ONA is pretty open source with it’s stuf (I would welcome anyone to share my writings, citing me or not is irrelevant; it’s the effect I’m concerned with). i did this as a test almost, I wanted to see if people would notice really. Seemed to work :’)

    Satanism stands for far worse things than racism.

    • Mundanes perhaps. It’s not as if I write for ‘them’ anyway. Those with eyes to see, understand it and this provides an example for the premises I mention. It is after all Occult. Sharing open source material is easy, simple. I’m more interested in the SEO of ‘Other’.

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